DotA Discussions (ffeenix21 VS. saint)

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in the bane atropos thread

Originally Posted by ffeenix21

This is my build, as far as im concerned its effective, u should master the skill spamming here. At certain events(depending on the situation) u'll find to get a different item as a priority.
Bane is advantageous against agi and int considering ur opponent's low lyf, ull have a hard tym killing str types let ur other members deal with dem and just prepare ur nightmare or fied's grip for fleeing heroes. For the skills you only hav to get 2nd(brain sap), 3rd(nightmare), and 4th(fiend's grip) skills, for the other points u should put it at stat.
First of you should get: (for the first item wer going to prepare for a mechanism to toughen u up)
ring of regeneration,
sobi mask,
iron wood branch,
iron wood branch
if your team doesn't have a chicken or doesnt share it, i suggest u buy a scroll instead of the iron wood branch for your nxt travel in buying item/s. farm and farm, see how much u last in the field but be sure NOT to die (except if its not avoidable, im sure it is) use brain sap to regain health and to repel heroes, also use nightmare whenever he comes too close(or if channeling) also try these when a hero is near ur tower with a lot of creeps, by the time the nightmare disappears his creeps are gone and ur tower will target his here allowing some damage (this is a nice trick to use for early games to delay ur enemy's gold and (myt also return to his base for regen, or he'll be buying flask, agen delaying his/her gold), if ur in the verge of death tele back for regen and get these items:
headdress of rejuvenation recipe
BOS or chainmail(which ever u choose u can get the other the nxt tym u return)
chicken(if ur team doesnt have or share it)
or u could get yet agen a scroll, by now u should feel the burden of having to buy these every tym u travel back)
get out and farm! ur not a hero killer at dis point ur just for assist, and quite irritating for ur opponent, agen use brain sap ang nightmare, by this tym ul hav ur ulti at lvl 1, ull find this useless for now but at certain situation it can own a hero, (for example u hav a 1 on 1 hero wit creeps irritate him with nightmare it certainly delay his gold, try and try till u get the situation when he's asleep and ur creeps are owning his creeps, by the tyme he wakes up he'll find himself out numbered,use brain sap then fiends grip). get your gold up, enough to buy a:
nethrezim buckler recipe,
mechanism recipe
get out agen and farm, once u get ur mechanism ull prove to be tough. ull stay alive much longer at farming,
ur next return you should get:
quarter staff,
robe of magi,
guinsoo scythe recipe
get out agen and farm, repel hero or trap and own a hero by spamming spells, [fiend's grip(watch ur mana carefully we dont want to deplete it), brain sap (to regain ur health), nightmare (with creepsowning the other/or not/ also good for running heroes), hex]. nxt items you should get are:
eye of skadi(for mana and slow) or Buriza(for damage)
Other Option items:
Linken Sphere (to block first stunning/slowing/damaging skills on you)
Vanguard (dis is to toughen u up, if u lyk get this instead of making a mechanism, doesnt have that instant HP tough)
To kildian, of course its no godly hero if u dont know how to use him well(that is why there is this thread). Nowadays bane is a character feared by many, he disrupts u in many ways and can also kill u and u cant do anything but watch how ur character dies in his/her sleep, now dats irritating! against str types get ur teammates to gangbang after a nightmare.

Note:
-I said this before and ill repeat it agen - Depending on the situation you'll be using a different item as a priority.
-U could get a BOT in the mid game (i skipped this coz i assumed u got a chicken).
-lyk what i always say with my other post on builds, dont blame me if it doesnt work for u it worked with my opponents and insane AI,
-u may suggest or give opinions if u lyk it would be a great help for me and for others. be kind and none of those n00b insulting stuff ur just flaming, im here to help and not to boast. tnx

in the ezalor thread he also wrote

Originally Posted by ffeenix21

This is my build, as far as im concerned it owned heroes (what didnt thinks it can be a hero killer? u should try it its all in the strategy), u should master the illuminate skill here. At certain events(depending on the situation) u'll find to get a different item as a priority.
My prefered skill build:
Illuminate
Chakra Magic
Chakra Magic
Illuminate
Chakra Magic
Ignus Fatuus - this is for pushing (making the tower and creeps hit ur summoned subordinates while u just target their tower, this strategy wownt always kill a tower in 1 go, use BOT to travel from 1 hero occupied tower to a vacant 1, this is very much good in farming and pushing)
Chakra Magic
Illuminate
Illuminate
Stat
Stat
Stat
Stat
Stat (till u get an aghanims then go for ignus)
Ignus Fatuus
Ignus Fatuus
Stat -till u can no longer put any,
lastly Mana Leak(i dont get to use this much coz ur enemy will be running away from u or u would be out of site while casting illuminate)

Ezlor is advantageous against agi and int considering ur opponent's low lyf, ull have a hard tym killing str types early and mid game, let ur other members deal with dem for the time being. if u lyk u could kill steal a hero and kill creeps around him at the same time. He's a very flexible character and i would suggest having him farm lyk hell in the early game always using illuminate and chakra maric(to replenish ur mana). having to deal your opponent a deal of damage delays their gold and xp that is why u should always tym ur illuminate attacks, for example ur enemy is a melee just get to the ranged creep's rear and have ur illuminate target ur ranged creep(this is for an easier aim, master it this is required for hero repel), same goes if ur opponent is pushing and is near ur tower, use ur tower if this situation happens. I hav a pattern i always do early game, i illuminate once, then chakra, then i use chakra agen (by this tym ur chakra will be at lvl 2), illuminate then chakra after cast, illuminate then chakra, the same pattern goes on and on till i get so much mana that i dont even need to cast chakra magic, having abundant mana makes items that requires mana to be used so efficiently (for example mechanism, not only does it heal u and ur creeps it also boost up ur creeps HP regen and an aura to add armor), dagon (for hero killing potential), and so on and so fort, lyk i said at certain situation ull be obliged to use a different item as a priority u dont have to follow my item order all d tym. having to be so efficient on gold u could buy anything u want at a given tym. u should utilize this and if possible early in the game use ur chicken to buy stuff while u farm and just get ur items on 1 go. i usually go to the top early on so that im closer to the secret shop, vice versa if ur in the opposite team.

First of you should get: (for the first item wer going to prepare for a mechanism to toughen u up, just imagine a walking mana well with infinite heal, you wownt even return to ur base)
ring of regeneration,
sobi mask, (ull be needing this eatly on the game, dnt buy a celerity potion itll be useless, just follow my beginning pattern so that ur chakra magic will always catch up to ur illuminate skill)
iron wood branch,
iron wood branch
if your team doesn't have a chicken or doesnt share it, i suggest u buy a scroll instead of the iron wood branch (having to buy this item is just a pety cash for ezalor) for your nxt travel in buying item/s. farm and farm, see how much u last in the field but be sure NOT to die (except if its not avoidable, lyk gangbang or lvl 4 skills/str type char) if battling with str, ull hav an advantage early in the game coz theyr slow if not they hav a lower hp (having a more stats on agi than other str char). use your illuminate skill at an out of site position lyk wat i hav mentioned b4. if u hav enough gold just tele back(considering u dont have a chicken yet) for regen and get these items:
headdress of rejuvenation recipe
BOS or chainmail(which ever u choose u can get the other the nxt tym u return)
chicken(if ur team doesnt have or share it)
or u could get yet agen a scroll)
get out and farm! ur a int/agi hero killer at dis point and ur also a pusher, and quite irritating for ur opponent coz they cant get close to u (except str heros with a high hp and armor) if pitted with a str just hit him with an illuminate while out of site, try using ur illuminate behind trees while his hero and creeps are at their tower trying to hold their position, this is a very good strategy for repeling(str)/killing heroes (pugna and lina sucks against illuminate, u myt want to wait till their HP turns yellow then illuminate them at a hidden spot, this will own them without even knowing that a wave is coming wen they realize this they wownt be able to run, master this strategy, ull own and delay their xp and gold. when the hero retreats or is killed hav ur lvl 1 ignus cast near the tower while ur creeps are pitting against ur opponent's creeps,(dnt forget to auto-cast ur ignus' skill), having ignus placed at a certain distance from the tower ull have subordinates swarming around their tower making them a decoy(and healing u and other creeps) while u damage thair tower(use chakra magic on ur ignus wen needed) by d tym the tower's lyf i halfed another wave of ur creeps hav arrived allowing u to continue hitting the tower till u destroy it). once u hav enough gold get(u could do this even b4 u could destroy a tower):
nethrezim buckler recipe,
mechanism recipe
Vitality Booster,
Point Booster or BOT (BOT will help u to farm from 1 tower to the other, a very useful item to change the tide of battle)
BOT/Point Booster (if u chose the other)
at this point i dont go for the aghanims yet, i go for a:
Dagon
level dis baby up to lvl 3 then go for a:
Aghanims
Level ur dagon to max, at this point ul hav plenty of options to choose from, u can go for a:
Linken Sphere (for mana and skill deflect)
or if u want to be real unique, sumthin they wownt expect (given if u farm gold lyk hell, and ur opponent is so weak that u allow him/her to take her tym while u gain more gold for overkill items)
Go for a buriza(crit damage) or a skadi(slow and additional damage)
then get a butterfly(dodge and atck speed)
when i played against an AI i kinda played with her, i didnt want to be a support later of the game and since i was owning her in the beginning, i farmed lyk hell while holding all 3 towers(tele to each via BOT) i was even able to buy rapier and tharask and switch from skill spammer to plain old "hit and be hit", with exception of course of the dagon for the killing blow.

Note:
-I said this before and ill repeat it agen - Depending on the situation you'll be using a different item as a priority.
-U could get a BOT in the mid game (i skipped this coz i assumed u got a chicken).
-lyk what i always say with my other post on builds, dont blame me if it doesnt work for u it worked with my opponents and insane AI,
-u may suggest or give opinions if u lyk it would be a great help for me and for others. be kind and none of those n00b insulting stuff ur just flaming, im here to help and not to boast. tnx

and in the alchemist thread he wrote

Originally Posted by ffeenix

This is my build, agen lyk what i said with my other guides, at certain events(depending on the situation) u'll find to get a different item as a priority.

Alchemist is an all out char (though i had a very hard tym killing (Centaur) Chieften and Nerubian Assassin), he is most advantageous against agi and int considering its lyf, ull have a hard tym killing heroes at the beginning (not till u get a dagon), let ur other members deal with dem at the moment. For the skills you only hav to get 1st(Acid spray), 3rd(Goblin's Greed), and 4th(Chemical Rage) skills, get the 2nd skill at lvl 1 only, this is for certain instances to be able to stun just even for 2 sec (but i prefer not to put any here since the post delay is just to disadvantageous). Whenu reach a tower just hit it hard with ur creeps going all out with the other, when ur lyk gets to 1/2 or 1/3 (depending on ulti) use chemical rage to regen ur hp allowing more tym to damage the tower, fall at a safe distance after and regen (with perserverance), use ur acid spray to farm while in a safe distance. Use Chemical rage whenever idle for a faster regen. Use your acid spray for farming, once u get a battlefury ull be much more effective in farming along wid the (GAY Goblin's Greed) 3rd skill, ull farm Gold FASTER!
Here is the skill order i use:
acid spray
goblin's greed
acid spray
goblin's greed
acid spray
goblin's greed
chemical rage
acid spray
goblin's greed
chemical rage
stat (till u can put a skill on chemical rage)
chemical rage (once chemical rage is full, put points on stat all out!)

First Alchemist is weak for a STR type, hp is just too low for me and mana(against mana burners ull definitely die early in the game, hence the dagon for repel) Here is the item build i use:
Ring of Regen, (if given in a situation u can make a headdress or even a mechanism)
Sobi Mask, (this is for minor mana regen, or u could buy a bunch of celerity potion first till u get a void stone)
BOS, (upgrade this to BOT if u have extra gold to burn)
Now this build is more of a "hit, be hit, dagon(finishing)", ur opponent wuill probably run when they see u activating ur ulti on 1 on 1 thats why u should activate ur ulti when ur life is halfed or 1/3(stay away from necrolyte), even with this strategy ur opponent will still be able to run(hence dagon). Basher is also an option. u can also go for a skadi(for slow) but for me its just too hassle in the mid game. Get:
Void stone, (so that ill b spamming acid spray all the tym)
Ring or health,
With Void stone/Perserverance now at hand ull be able to sustain urself in the field, use ur acid spray for farm and chemical rage for hp regen(damn dis skill is so GAY, low cooldown and low mana requirement). Its time for a more efficient farming, Get this items for a Battle fury:
Mithril Hammer,
Claymore,
Notice that i didnt mention any hero killing at this point, if opportunity shows up take it but for now well wait for a dagon. farm and farm and get(for dagon):
Staff of Wizardry,
Blades of attack,
Recipe,
by this tym ull find that gold is no problem for u, ull just wory about heroes trying to gangbang. but with a dagon u can not own a hero. get more recipies for a more damaging dagon, and ull also notice that ull wownt be short on mana too often(except after a barrage of spells but ur battlefury/perserverance will fix that). ull have an option on building up ur dagon or getting a:
Heart of Tarrasque (its ur choice)
Other items that u can add or replace sobi mask and ring of regen:
Sange Yasha (with ur ulti this is damn powerful)
But because chemical rage wownt boost ur movespeed get S&Y after u get a dagon.

Note:
-I said this before and ill repeat it agen - Depending on the situation you'll be using a different item as a priority.
-U could get a BOT in the mid game (i skipped this coz i assumed u got a chicken).
-U could also use Basher instead of a dagon but Alchemist's MS is just too weak on my opinion.
-lyk what i always say with my other post on builds, dont blame me if it doesnt work for u it worked with my opponents and insane AI,
-u may suggest or give opinions if u lyk it would be a great help for me and for others. be kind and none of those n00b insulting stuff ur just flaming, im here to help and not to boast. tnx
-well this build isnt quite perfect yet, i had a hard tym dealing with ranged hex/stun/impale users. I just realize i must hav a counter for them, i went for linken sphere late in the game, but bcoz it was late i was waaayyy.... behind... suggestions and comments are needed, pls help! tnx!

then saint replied in the atropos thread

Originally Posted by saint

Firstly, all your three of your posts which is as long as this, was posted at 10:45pm, 10:49pm and 10:55pm. The interval of the time between the three posts is so short for the length of it. Unless you're copying and pasting, I don't see a way for you to type that fast.

then he replied to m.night Jann's post

Originally Posted by saint

He probably copied it. Practically, he post the same length of guide for two other heroes in two other threads. Including this one, he has posted three long posts, in three threads, in roughly around 10 minutes. Doubt it's genuine.

then ffeenix replied on both posts

Originally Posted by ffeenix21

first of i did use copy and paste(duh?) from my NOTEPAD to the thread, second "I MADE THEM" they're prewritten and i did not copy them from other threads. i dont have a net at the office but i sure have a lot of tym. and please giv me some respect. im not posting for the post#, if this forum has a history of users check my name, my account expired once already(lyk i said i dont use net too often not bcoz i dont want to) and my reputation and post#(though they werent dat high) wer reset. luk for username "ffeenix21" if not "ffeenix".

and in my ezalor thread

Originally Posted by ffeenix

please refer to Bane's Thread(i dont want to repeat myself again)
but for the ones who are in doubt about the builds i wrote:
"I MADE THEM" they're prewritten and i did not copy them from other threads.

then saint answered

Originally Posted by saint

"probably copied" was the word I used in the "Ezalor" thread. For this thread, like I said,

Like you said, you ARE copying and pasting. I didn't throw any accuses towards you indicating that you "stole" it.

If respect wasn't there, I would had curse or flame you, which I rarely do in cases which are uncertain and when maximum stupidity occurs. "Pre-Written" in your notepad doesn't really prove the 100% genuinity of the guide. Still, I understand your point and what you're trying to explain.

then Devox mocked ffeenix21 (how did he get in?)

Originally Posted by Devox

lol no need to put so big.We are not blind ^^.

and alas, saint's final reply

Originally Posted by saint

Already did, and like I said in the other thread, no one ever accused you of copying.

[saint]

This is stupid and irrelevant. Closed.