Ahmedinejad lectures at Columbia

[hesham8]

Not sure there is a lot of respect to go around for any world leader these days. I'm not sparing any for Mad Mahmoud. He is a vermin, low-life piece of crap terrorist. How's that for respect. Oh and while we are on the subject of him, don't forget he funds Hamas, which carries out homicide bombings on Jews all the time. He is killing jews, and you were right, earlier, he doesnt even have to leave his own borders to do it, lol.

He's not killing them directly though, and that's something the US should know all about.

She is not in Iran. She does have family there. Nonetheless, even if she didn't, it would be ridiculous and disingenuous for you to insinuate that she doesn't know the political climate in Iran as well or better than you or I do.

I've lived in Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, and I've briefly visited Iran. I know the political climate of the whole region.

And they are all regarded by the world as dispicable insane maniacs and were removed from power or killed...

No, not all of them. It's just Hitler, Stalin, and a couple of other big name ones. Some of them actually did so for matters of national security, or as a 'threat to the throne'.

[Rafty]

Originally Posted by hesham8

He's not killing them directly though, and that's something the US should know all about.


I've lived in Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, and I've briefly visited Iran. I know the political climate of the whole region.


No, not all of them. It's just Hitler, Stalin, and a couple of other big name ones. Some of them actually did so for matters of national security, or as a 'threat to the throne'.

You're not making points anymore. Oh well, lol, I'm tired. Been fun talking to you. Have a good one.

[Master Penguin]

Huh? WHat's this mean? You said Mad Mahmoud was indifferent to the holocaust. I disproved that - he is actually keen on denying it's existence, and addresses the subject often, such as when he held his conference on it.. see above, maybe?

The whole conference was held amid the whole cartoon protests back a while ago. It was a political stunt to show that europe isn't as free as it claims to be when it comes to free speech, and infact imprisons holocaust deniers. He wanted to show their hypocracy. He didn't agree/disagree with the views presented at the conference.

Next.
You keep saying he didn't say "wiped away". I pointed out HIS people say he said that. Then you said Mr. Bronner did not conclude Mad Mahmoud meant "wipe off the map". Yet in Bronner's own words, it "certainly seems" that was the meaning of the phrase.

That was Bronner's own conclusion, not of the analysts that he included in the article. in addition HIS people said otherwise, as noted by the two articles I posted, vs Bonner's "well they told me i'm right."

After Iran's Islamic Revolution two thirds of the jews in Iran moved out and they continue to leave Iran. This is not so they can retire in Florida, believe me lol.

And the majority of the upper class and anyone that could afford to left Iran for better economic opportunities which weren't found in Iran due to the war with Iraq. Here's some good articles about how jews refuse to leave iran:

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“They have no boundaries, limits, or taboos when it comes to killing human beings. Who are they? Where did they come from? Are they human beings? ‘They are like cattle, nay, more misguided.’ A bunch of bloodthirsty barbarians. Next to them, all the criminals of the world seem righteous.”

He's refering to zionists not jews.

What makes him a threat are his direct threats against the USA (great satan, lol), our government and our way of life. This is also crystal clear.

Direct threats? He came to the country and asked for full open relations how the **** is that a direct threat? Btw, "the great satan" wasn't said by him go research some more. I'd say cheney and bush are a bigger threat since they don't even want dialogue.

[hesham8]

Finally! Thank you Penguin for doing your research!
I'm really glad that someone actually looked up valid articles, instead of just going with the propaganda...

[Rafty]

ah, the penguin returns to energize the troops...

Well, I'm getting tired of this argument since you all keep saying the same things over and over and supporting your opinions with...more of your opinions, lol. Like I said to Hesahm, it is like talking to a bunch of rocks or trying to explain nuclear physics to my cat. (Though I suspect she would understand more of that than I probably do)

Anyway, I'll try to say a little bit about this latest round of crap.

Your personal opinion about the holocaust conference is of no import to this argument. It was like I said it was - this was widely reported. Most of the rest of the world did not keenly deduce that Mad Mahmoud's holocaust denying conference was a publicity stunt like you have Penguin. Do you read palms too, or have a crystal ball? LOL.

About Bronner - the back-and forth here is ridiculous. He concludes my point of view so I quote him. Your "analysts" conclude your point of view so you quote them... tug of war is really not my game. Especially not when its with a rock.

You can argue the Iranian socio-political climate with my Iranian step-sister all you want. All I know is what she has told me from her 24 years of life there.

Zionists not Jews. Again your unabashed opinion, and you're arguing semantics here to be honest. Since you are defending Ahmadinejad, I would of course expect you to spin it that way. Its the only way out of the hole you've dug with all his rhetoric out there and publicly available.

Great satan - yeah, you're right - Chavez. Mad-Mahmoud's best little buddy lol. Sorry about the misquote - theres about 15 things Mahmoud said in public that are worse, rofl.

Cheney and Bush - explaining away bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior is a fallacious tactic. Although, if I were a world leader I wouldn't "dialogue" with the madman either. Most major countries are not in "dialogue" with Iran. Not even France - imagine that.

Well, like I said boys, it's been fun, but I can't keep repeating the same things over and over again in hopes that you won't keep using the same defense to defend your indefensible positions. I know you're on your way to moveon.org right now as I type to get some more talking points, but really - I think this is it for me. Have fun, thanks for the spirited dialogue!

BTW, HESHAM....
-800 Points?????!!?? WTF did you do?? Weird.

[Master Penguin]

Your personal opinion about the holocaust conference is of no import to this argument. It was like I said it was - this was widely reported. Most of the rest of the world did not keenly deduce that Mad Mahmoud's holocaust denying conference was a publicity stunt like you have Penguin. Do you read palms too, or have a crystal ball? LOL.

If you can't evaluate an event within its proper geopolitical context and lack the skills to see through the obvious intentions of politicians, then i'm really sorry, there's nothing else i can do.

About Bronner - the back-and forth here is ridiculous. He concludes my point of view so I quote him. Your "analysts" conclude your point of view so you quote them... tug of war is really not my game. Especially not when its with a rock.

Anyone with half a brain could see Bronner's nitpicking to prove his argument.

You can argue the Iranian socio-political climate with my Iranian step-sister all you want. All I know is what she has told me from her 24 years of life there.

right, let's take the word of this "iranian step-sister," who's probably one of them shah supporters, over hard evidence. i'm sure that's reasonable.

Zionists not Jews. Again your unabashed opinion, and you're arguing semantics here to be honest. Since you are defending Ahmadinejad, I would of course expect you to spin it that way. Its the only way out of the hole you've dug with all his rhetoric out there and publicly available.

He said zionists that jews. There's no one spinning anything except you apparently. In every speech he's given he said zionists.



as political as this picture is, i think it's good enough to counter your spinning.

Cheney and Bush - explaining away bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior is a fallacious tactic.

I was making a comparison, not explaining bad behavior. Just wanted to show that you need to get your priorities straight on your hatelist.

Not even France - imagine that.

and since when has france been the standard benchmark to diplomacy? Also, you're just plain wrong, if there's no dialogue then why are the whole nuclear negotiations going on? and [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]:

With 8.5% of the market share, France is Iran’s third-leading supplier. Iran is France’s 27th customer (its third-leading customer in the Middle East). Fifty-five percent of French exports are concentrated in the automotive sector. French companies are also very active in the hydrocarbon sector (buy-back contracts, provision of equipment), rail and shipping transport and the financial sector. For the most part, imports from Iran are crude oil. Altogether, 3% of French hydrocarbon imports come from Iran. A reciprocal agreement protecting and encouraging investment signed by the French Minister Delegate for Foreign Trade on 12 May 2003 in Tehran came into force on 13 November 2004. Iran’s Minister of Commerce, Mr. Mohammad Shariat-Madari, made an official visit to France from 20 through 23 January 2004. The French Secretary of State for Transport and the Sea, Mr. François Goulard, went to Iran on 20 June 2004, on the occasion of the resumption of Air France’s Paris-Tehran flights. The nuclear issue will determine any changes in the business climate in Iran. France and its European partners have emphasized to Iran the promising prospects that would result from a negotiated solution. However, the present worsening of the nuclear crisis could damage our economic cooperation with Iran in the long run.

Aside from the current nuclear issue, they seem to have decent relations. It also seems you have a blind spot where the biggest countries are. You apparently forgot the 2nd and 3rd most powerful countries: china and russia, both of which have full diplomatic and economic relations that won't be strained by the nuclear ambitions like france(even though france still maintains significant trade relations.)
There's also this today:
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and we're talking about a right-wing racist here.

I know you're on your way to moveon.org right now as I type to get some more talking points

you're insinuating that i'm a liberal, but im actually a registered republican. I guess that's what you're good at best, talking crap. You threw an insult at the end of almost every line. That's ok though, i've seen worse.

[Rafty]

Yawn - everybody wants to be comedian. Yay. Anyway, like I said no more from me - its no use trying to enlighten you any further. You'll stop at nothing to "win" this argument, and we haven't actually been "talking" to each other for several posts. Why bother?

I should say, though, that its my sister-in law who is from Iran, not step sister as I said in error. I don't have a step sister.

Bye.

[hesham8]

Back on topic --
Did anyone see his speech or not?