Ahmedinejad lectures at Columbia

[hesham8]

He gave an...Interesting speech (For lack of a better word).
I am not going to post the entire speech here because it's several Youtube videos long.

What are your thoughts on the lecture? I actually thought that if the man that introduced him didn't insult him, things would have gone a lot smoother...
He was on the defensive at all times during his lecture, because of that insult.

Anyway, I recommend you watch it, just to see how he acted if for nothing else.

[Rafty]

Originally Posted by hesham8

He gave an...Interesting speech (For lack of a better word).
I am not going to post the entire speech here because it's several Youtube videos long.

What are your thoughts on the lecture? I actually thought that if the man that introduced him didn't insult him, things would have gone a lot smoother...
He was on the defensive at all times during his lecture, because of that insult.

Anyway, I recommend you watch it, just to see how he acted if for nothing else.

Hey Hesham, here I am again lol. I'm not sure Lee Bollinger actually insulted him. Everything he confronted Mad Mahmoud with was something the little man himself had said previously. You have to be ready to defend yourself when you say an entire race of people should be wiped off the map...

My favorite part was when he said “In Iran, we don’t have homosexuals like in your country. We don’t have that in our country.”
In Iran, we do not have this phenomenon, I do not know who has told you that we have it..."

A video was released a few weeks ago of men being (IN IRAN, lol) hanged because they were discovered to be having sex with other men. Funny guy.

[hesham8]

Originally Posted by Rafty

Hey Hesham, here I am again lol. I'm not sure Lee Bollinger actually insulted him. Everything he confronted Mad Mahmoud with was something the little man himself had said previously. You have to be ready to defend yourself when you say an entire race of people should be wiped off the map...

My favorite part was when he said “In Iran, we don’t have homosexuals like in your country. We don’t have that in our country.”
In Iran, we do not have this phenomenon, I do not know who has told you that we have it..."

A video was released a few weeks ago of men being (IN IRAN, lol) hanged because they were discovered to be having sex with other men. Funny guy.

He didn't say anything about a race of people being wiped out...He said something about a country being wiped out. There's actually a difference (But when that country is almost entirely one race, it's hard to tell that difference).

He's reacting to gays the way he believes is right (Take a look at the Bible and Qur'an. Neither say kill the gays, but neither are exactly promoting it either. "Do not lay with a man as one would lay with a woman." That's a cut and paste line from both books.) And when he says, "We don't have gays in Iran." he means they don't have any gays, because he kill every single one he finds, and I think it's interesting that people are dying because of an imbalance of brain chemicals (This is the proposed cause of homosexuality.)

[Rafty]

Originally Posted by hesham8

He didn't say anything about a race of people being wiped out...He said something about a country being wiped out. There's actually a difference (But when that country is almost entirely one race, it's hard to tell that difference)

He has previously said the world should have no Jews in it. Recently, he also said Israel should be wiped off the map, which is a country, correct. Makes absolutely no difference in the outcome though. It is ludicrous.

Originally Posted by hesham8

He's reacting to gays the way he believes is right (Take a look at the Bible and Qur'an. Neither say kill the gays, but neither are exactly promoting it either. "Do not lay with a man as one would lay with a woman." That's a cut and paste line from both books.) And when he says, "We don't have gays in Iran." he means they don't have any gays, because he kill every single one he finds, and I think it's interesting that people are dying because of an imbalance of brain chemicals (This is the proposed cause of homosexuality.)

He is actually denying a fact just like he does when you ask him about the holocaust (while at the same time trying to cover it up with murders of gays), - and taking a shot at the US in the mean time, by trying to equate gay rights with evil.

[Master Penguin]

You have to be ready to defend yourself when you say an entire race of people should be wiped off the map...

He has previously said the world should have no Jews in it. Recently, he also said Israel should be wiped off the map, which is a country, correct. Makes absolutely no difference in the outcome though. It is ludicrous.

He didn't. It was a mistranslation, and just about everyone knows that now.

As for the interviewer, he's one of the rudest person i've watched interviewing an official. Aside from the gay stuff, he handled himself pretty good.

[Rafty]

Originally Posted by Master Penguin

He didn't. It was a mistranslation, and just about everyone knows that now.

This is a clever little verbal tool you're using here - but it's used way too often. Presenting something that is actually in dispute as a factually settled reality is a marketing tool politicians use to pass their shoddy arguments. Show me where there is widespread agreement that he did not mean to say exactly that. You cannot. Oh and I see you've conveniently avoided/ ignored the Holocaust denial altogether. You'd have to, to be able to defend the guy properly.

Originally Posted by Master Penguin

As for the interviewer, he's one of the rudest person i've watched interviewing an official. Aside from the gay stuff, he handled himself pretty good.

Bad grammar aside, I can't believe you're saying the president of Iran handled himself "pretty good", lol. He dodged almost every question put to him, and got laughed at much of the time. You did watch this video, right? The man is a delusional imbecile.

[Master Penguin]

I ain't no ahmedinejad fan, trust me, but i'd argue against bs when i see it, unless convinced otherwise.

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and go for the footnotes:
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Also, he didn't deny the holocaust. He was asked that very question in the video, and he didn't deny it, let alone believing "the world should have no jews in it."

Bad grammar aside, I can't believe you're saying the president of Iran handled himself "pretty good", lol. He dodged almost every question put to him, and got laughed at much of the time. You did watch this video, right? The man is a delusional imbecile.

Depends on the angle you view it from. Again, the only idiotic things he said was the homosexuals bit, the rest seems quite reasonable. At least he's not a threatening warmongerer like some other countries' leaders.

[Rafty]

Wikipedia is a user edited service. Everybody knows they are the "last word" on politics, right... rofl.
The last two sources you listed were statements from Iran, no good. Surely you've read enough to realize that what Iran's leaders say in English is very different from what they say in Farsi at home to the people? Lol. I'll check out your other 2 links that are left after while, I'm a little busy now but - Juan Cole?? Come on, do you know who this guy is?

Mad Mahmoud is a holoacaust denier. Do a little more research. What he said EXACTLY in the speech at Columbia when asked about the holocaust was: "what does that have to do with the plight of the palestinian people?" - An obvious dodge, even to a simpleton like me.

Here's a statement from one of your own sources, which you apparently did not completely read in your haste to retort.

"In a [Only registered and activated users can see links. ], [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] analysis of the translation controversy, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] deputy foreign editor [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] stated that Ahmadinejad had said that Israel was to be wiped off the map. After noting the objections of critics such as Cole and Steele, Bronner said: "But translators in Tehran who work for the president's office and the foreign ministry disagree with them. All official translations of Mr. Ahmadinejad's statement, including a description of it on his Web site ([Only registered and activated users can see links. ]), refer to wiping Israel away. Bronner stated: "..it is hard to argue that, from Israel's point of view, Mr. Ahmadinejad poses no threat. Still, it is true that he has never specifically threatened war against Israel. So did Iran's president call for Israel to be 'wiped off the map'? It certainly seems so. Did that amount to a call for war? That remains an open question."

"Iran's state-owned [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] translated Ahmadinejad's comments as "Israel must be wiped off the map".

Some of the idiot's own words for you:

In early 2006, on the 27th anniversary of the Islamic Revolution, "Palestinians and 'other nations' will remove Israel from the region".


June 3, 2007

"With God's help, the countdown button for the destruction of the Zionist regime has been pushed by the hands of the children of Lebanon and Palestine . . . By God's will, we will witness the destruction of this regime in the near future."

June 16, 2006

"I think we have sufficiently talked about this matter and these Holocaust events need to be further investigated by independent and impartial parties."

"An event that has influenced so many diplomatic and political equations of the world needs to investigated and researched by impartial and independent groups."

That's enough to expose that you are wrong for now.

[hesham8]

Rafty, the man is a political mastermind. And if you want to bring up the whole "He dodged questions" thing, take a look at a Bush conference/meeting and compare the number of questions dodged.

He never said anything about killing Jews -- It's Israel he doesn't like. Not the people, but what the country's creation has done to the people in what was Palestine.

He never denied the holocaust, he just questioned the number of people dead.

By the way, when the IRIB translated Ahmadinejad's comments...They translated from Farsi to Arabic to English.

The man is a genius, no matter how you look at it. But then again, even Hitler was a genius. I don't like Hitler's work, but how he executed his work (Play with words there =P), and how he got to the point where he could do what he did was pure genius.

[Master Penguin]

Wikipedia is a user edited service. Everybody knows they are the "last word" on politics, right... rofl.

I didn't post any material from wikipedia, but the footnotes that were found in the article. I just posted the link to provide the source for the other links.

Surely you've read enough to realize that what Iran's leaders say in English is very different from what they say in Farsi at home to the people? Lol.

where's the proof?, it's just your assumption.

Juan Cole?? Come on, do you know who this guy is?

Yes, and his assessment of many events is quite reasonable. Just because you disasgree with a person's point of view it doesn't discredit them. Anyways i posted the other ones incase you were picky.

The last two sources you listed were statements from Iran, no good.

Ones canadian and the other american. They are infact good sources. They both had Iranian officials commenting on the speech and they all agree in that Ahmedinejad was mistranslated. The ministers involved in the articles work under the president, surely they'd get fired if they're spreading lies about their boss?

Here's a statement from one of your own sources, which you apparently did not completely read in your haste to retort.

"In a [Only registered and activated users can see links. ], [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] analysis of the translation controversy, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] deputy foreign editor [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] stated that Ahmadinejad had said that Israel was to be wiped off the map. After noting the objections of critics such as Cole and Steele, Bronner said: "But translators in Tehran who work for the president's office and the foreign ministry disagree with them. All official translations of Mr. Ahmadinejad's statement, including a description of it on his Web site ([Only registered and activated users can see links. ]), refer to wiping Israel away. Bronner stated: "..it is hard to argue that, from Israel's point of view, Mr. Ahmadinejad poses no threat. Still, it is true that he has never specifically threatened war against Israel. So did Iran's president call for Israel to be 'wiped off the map'? It certainly seems so. Did that amount to a call for war? That remains an open question."

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It still ended with an uncertainty as to what he said, and "wipe off the map" was not the conclusion. In addition, the fact that the interior and foreign ministry, both of which work under the authority of the president, came out against the accusation prooves that there was a mistranslation.

"I think we have sufficiently talked about this matter and these Holocaust events need to be further investigated by independent and impartial parties."

"An event that has influenced so many diplomatic and political equations of the world needs to investigated and researched by impartial and independent groups."

That's enough to expose that you are wrong for now.

Right, where did he call for the genocide of jews? and where did he deny the holocaust again?

This is the point of his argument, which is shared by many from that region. They're all indifferent to the holocaust, which basically means they don't give a shit how many died. However, they see the event as a pretext for what happened in 1948, and thus all the conflicts that have followed related to israel. If he believes that hitler did not kill 6 million jews then he would say it, but he hasn't. He doesn't have anything to lose by answering directly that he doesn't believe in the holocaust, yet he "dodges the question" as you say, when infact he gave his answer, which is that it doens't concern him whether it happened or not, but the implications that it had on the region.

Originally Posted by hesham

He never said anything about killing Jews -- It's Israel he doesn't like. Not the people, but what the country's creation has done to the people in what was Palestine.

Right. If he wanted to kill jews he'd start with the ones that have been living in Iran for thousands of years.

Originally Posted by hesham

The man is a genius, no matter how you look at it. But then again, even Hitler was a genius. I don't like Hitler's work, but how he executed his work (Play with words there =P), and how he got to the point where he could do what he did was pure genius.

Genius?, i doubt it. But he's certainly a politician and he talks like one.

Here's a huffingtonpost article i came across on reddit today:
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It basically shows how the interviewer's ignorant ranting about stupid topics diverted attention away from the real issues regarding iran.